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Patrick1	Nov 05, 2008 11:03 pm
Subject: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Hello, Who can bring me in contact with 12/24, 11.9 and 11.1 owners? They are dificult to find. I found two in new zealand, and some pics of others.

Patrick1

Nov 05, 2008 11:03 pm

Subject: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Hello,
Who can bring me in contact with 12/24, 11.9 and 11.1 owners?
They are dificult to find. I found two in new zealand, and some pics of others.

Patrick1	Nov 26, 2009 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Hi all, I nearly completed my little research about 12/24 , 11.9 and 11.1.

Patrick1

Nov 26, 2009 12:47 pm

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Hi all,

I nearly completed my little research about 12/24 , 11.9 and 11.1.

ROBERT WILLIAMS	Apr 11, 2011 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners HI PATRICK ONE OF THE PICTURES ON YOUR SITE IS SHOWN AS A LAGONDA 11.9 REG NO VA 6646 IT IS ACTUALY A 1924 LAGONDA KK 12/24 WHICH I HAVE OWNED SINCE 1995 THOUGHT TO BE THE LAST KNOWN SURVIVER BY THE LAGONDA CLUB. HOPE THE IMFORMATION IS USEFUL. REGARDS BOB WILLIAMS

ROBERT WILLIAMS

Apr 11, 2011 9:12 pm

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

HI PATRICK
ONE OF THE PICTURES ON YOUR SITE IS SHOWN AS A LAGONDA 11.9 REG NO VA 6646 IT IS ACTUALY A 1924 LAGONDA KK 12/24 WHICH I HAVE OWNED SINCE 1995 THOUGHT TO BE THE LAST KNOWN SURVIVER BY THE LAGONDA CLUB. HOPE THE IMFORMATION IS USEFUL.

REGARDS

BOB WILLIAMS

Colin M34	Apr 13, 2011 9:12 am
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Hello Robert, Great to hear about your car VA 6646. I am intrigued about your comment about your car being a ‘KK’ 12/24. With 11.9s, ‘KK’ was the basic version of the model ‘K’ 2 seat tourer. Many items we would now regard as essential were omitted to make a cheap car. Because Lagonda wanted to go up market, I am intrigued that they continued the 'KK' model with the 12/24 and it would be great to see pictures of your car posted on this site. I would not be surprised if this turns out to be the case because I’m sure that if a customer wanted to buy a really basic model I’m sure they would sell him one. In terms of luxurious fittings, etc, the contrast between the basic 2 seat tourer model K (or KK) and the saloon model S is enormous and it’s really interesting to discover that both models survive to this day. Best Wishes Colin M34

Colin M34

Apr 13, 2011 9:12 am

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Hello Robert,

Great to hear about your car VA 6646.

I am intrigued about your comment about your car being a ‘KK’ 12/24.

With 11.9s, ‘KK’ was the basic version of the model ‘K’ 2 seat tourer. Many items we would now regard as essential were omitted to make a cheap car. Because Lagonda wanted to go up market, I am intrigued that they continued the 'KK' model with the 12/24 and it would be great to see pictures of your car posted on this site.

I would not be surprised if this turns out to be the case because I’m sure that if a customer wanted to buy a really basic model I’m sure they would sell him one. In terms of luxurious fittings, etc, the contrast between the basic 2 seat tourer model K (or KK) and the saloon model S is enormous and it’s really interesting to discover that both models survive to this day.

Best Wishes Colin M34

ROBERT WILLIAMS	Apr 13, 2011 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Hello colin, Thank you for your reply the car registration is actualy YA 6646 and not VA 6646 as shown on Patrick Jacob's photo of the car. The car dash identification plate is stamped KK 5708 with the engine number being 8130. The V5 for the car shows chassis no 5766 and engine no 8130. Using imformation from Arnold Davey & Anthony May History of the Marque book and a letter from Tony Walsh the car seems to be a 12/24 coupe model. The car has the following running gear. 10" rear brake drums, 2- sets of brake shoes 1-set hand brake 1-set foot brake. 12 style engine with enclosed valve gear self oiling. Magneto mounted at 90 in front of engine. electric starter motor. No brakes on front axle. Clutch is a cone type & not plate. The radiator is fitted with blue enamel badge and white letters. The car spent the 1980's and early 1990's in belgium until i purchased the car. I send photo's soon. best regards Bob Williams

ROBERT WILLIAMS

Apr 13, 2011 10:32 pm

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Hello colin,
Thank you for your reply the car registration is actualy YA 6646 and not VA 6646 as shown on Patrick Jacob's photo of the car.
The car dash identification plate is stamped KK 5708 with the engine number being 8130. The V5 for the car shows chassis no 5766 and engine no 8130. Using imformation from Arnold Davey & Anthony May History of the Marque book and a letter from Tony Walsh the car seems to be a 12/24 coupe model. The car has the following running gear.
10" rear brake drums, 2- sets of brake shoes 1-set hand brake 1-set foot brake.
12 style engine with enclosed valve gear self oiling.
Magneto mounted at 90 in front of engine.
electric starter motor.
No brakes on front axle.
Clutch is a cone type & not plate.
The radiator is fitted with blue enamel badge and white letters.
The car spent the 1980's and early 1990's in belgium until i purchased the car. I send photo's soon.

best regards
Bob Williams

Colin M34	Apr 14, 2011 12:17 am
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Hello Bob, Thanks for an interesting reply. From what you have said the car certainly seems to be a 12/24 model. Clearly, in 1924 the sales department found that there was still a demand for an entry level 2 seater model KK 12/24 . The type MC 2 seat coupe had the luxury of wind-up windows and was much more expensive. Of course the model KK would be much lighter and probably the best-performing 12/24 of them all - so perhaps the crafty sales team used a KK as a demonstrator and then persuaded customers to add the luxury of the type MC at an extra cost, in much the same way that low cost airlines advertise a basic service which is almost impossible to buy!. By the way, front wheel brakes were an optional extra in 1924. Looking forward to photos. Cheers Colin

Colin M34

Apr 14, 2011 12:17 am

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Hello Bob,

Thanks for an interesting reply.

From what you have said the car certainly seems to be a 12/24 model. Clearly, in 1924 the sales department found that there was still a demand for an entry level 2 seater model KK 12/24 . The type MC 2 seat coupe had the luxury of wind-up windows and was much more expensive.

Of course the model KK would be much lighter and probably the best-performing 12/24 of them all - so perhaps the crafty sales team used a KK as a demonstrator and then persuaded customers to add the luxury of the type MC at an extra cost, in much the same way that low cost airlines advertise a basic service which is almost impossible to buy!.

By the way, front wheel brakes were an optional extra in 1924.

Looking forward to photos.

Cheers

Colin

Patrick1	Apr 23, 2011 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Hi Bob. I am happy to see you on this forum Yes a 12/24 KK has been made. And quite late according to see this numbers of chassis and engine It' s hard to see from pics what it is. In fact I didn't realise a 12/24 KK survived. So I had a go for the 11.9. I knew about the badge, but always thought it was replaced by the years, not realissing to be a late KK model So thats why I was thinking wrong about being a 11.9. i love to see more pics of course. Kind regards, Patrick

Patrick1

Apr 23, 2011 1:23 pm

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Hi Bob.

I am happy to see you on this forum

Yes a 12/24 KK has been made. And quite late according to see this numbers of chassis and engine

It' s hard to see from pics what it is. In fact I didn't realise a 12/24 KK survived. So I had a go for the 11.9. I knew about the badge, but always thought it was replaced by the years, not realissing to be a late KK model So thats why I was thinking wrong about being a 11.9.

i love to see more pics of course.

Kind regards,

Patrick

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Ken Painter	Apr 27, 2014 9:10 am
Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners Eight years on is a little late to add to anything to this discussion, but for the sake of historical accuracy, the KK type is the better equipped version of the K . The K Type was the really basis model, with the minimum of lights, no electric starter and no instruments. It was fitted with a one-piece windscreen and the KK had the more common two panel screen. There is just one K Type survivor that we know and, over the years, it has been up-graded, with a starter motor, a set of instruments, better lights and a windscreen wiper. The owner is not a member of the Club. Ken Painter Lagonda Club's "Light Car Model Champion"

Ken Painter

Apr 27, 2014 9:10 am

Subject: Re: 12/24, 11.9 and11.1 owners

Eight years on is a little late to add to anything to this discussion, but for the sake of historical accuracy, the KK type is the better equipped version of the K . The K Type was the really basis model, with the minimum of lights, no electric starter and no instruments. It was fitted with a one-piece windscreen and the KK had the more common two panel screen.

There is just one K Type survivor that we know and, over the years, it has been up-graded, with a starter motor, a set of instruments, better lights and a windscreen wiper.

The owner is not a member of the Club.

Ken Painter

Lagonda Club's "Light Car Model Champion"